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		<title>By: i.materialise first week in media &#124; i.materialise blog</title>
		<link>http://no-retro.com/home/2009/11/07/materialise-launch-rapid-manufacturing-service-aimed-at-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-607</link>
		<dc:creator>i.materialise first week in media &#124; i.materialise blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that published our news during the first days of our beta launch. Matt @ No-retro blog with his comprehensive first review of our service. Bre @ Thingiverse with our press release on his blog. We have also shared some of our models with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Quigley</title>
		<link>http://no-retro.com/home/2009/11/07/materialise-launch-rapid-manufacturing-service-aimed-at-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Quigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks WiM, never noticed the downloads bit on the Onsite section before! More work coming your way again then by the looks of it :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks WiM, never noticed the downloads bit on the Onsite section before! More work coming your way again then by the looks of it <img src='http://no-retro.com/home/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wim Verstraeten</title>
		<link>http://no-retro.com/home/2009/11/07/materialise-launch-rapid-manufacturing-service-aimed-at-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>Wim Verstraeten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin : let me allow you to answer some of your questions about OnSite/NextDay wrt i.materialise .

Where OnSite/NextDay aims at the professional market, let&#039;s say, the designers@work, i.materialise is focussing more on consumers, the designers_after_work who don&#039;t have to be professional, don&#039;t know much about materials and have a 3d model that they want in their hands for which they want to know quickly a price range to materialise the model for the possible materialising options. 
 
Right now the difference between the 2 sites is not that obvious because the i.materialise site is still in beta with the basic features. 
We have other projects in the pipeline for i.materialise that will make the difference more clear when they are released. 

An example of an obvious difference between OnSite and i.materialise is that i.materialise is able to handle more file formats than the STL file analyzer in OnSite. 
Leadtime is another one. OnSite gives exact shipment dates, i.materialise gives indications. 

I hope these answers give already bit of a better view on i.materialise versus NextDay/OnSite.

WiM
(btw : nice to hear that the NextDay standalone application is still being remembered ;-) . The application is still downloadable in the download section of the OnSite website)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin : let me allow you to answer some of your questions about OnSite/NextDay wrt i.materialise .</p>
<p>Where OnSite/NextDay aims at the professional market, let&#8217;s say, the designers@work, i.materialise is focussing more on consumers, the designers_after_work who don&#8217;t have to be professional, don&#8217;t know much about materials and have a 3d model that they want in their hands for which they want to know quickly a price range to materialise the model for the possible materialising options. </p>
<p>Right now the difference between the 2 sites is not that obvious because the i.materialise site is still in beta with the basic features.<br />
We have other projects in the pipeline for i.materialise that will make the difference more clear when they are released. </p>
<p>An example of an obvious difference between OnSite and i.materialise is that i.materialise is able to handle more file formats than the STL file analyzer in OnSite.<br />
Leadtime is another one. OnSite gives exact shipment dates, i.materialise gives indications. </p>
<p>I hope these answers give already bit of a better view on i.materialise versus NextDay/OnSite.</p>
<p>WiM<br />
(btw : nice to hear that the NextDay standalone application is still being remembered <img src='http://no-retro.com/home/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  . The application is still downloadable in the download section of the OnSite website)</p>
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		<title>By: Materialise Launch Rapid Manufacturing Service &#124; FreeFormFab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Materialise Launch Rapid Manufacturing Service &#124; FreeFormFab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We Don&#8217;t do Retro  zaterdag, november 21st, 2009 3D Printing, Design &amp; Engineering, Digital Fabrication, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Quigley</title>
		<link>http://no-retro.com/home/2009/11/07/materialise-launch-rapid-manufacturing-service-aimed-at-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Quigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done a bit more investigation into this myself Matt and interestingly I&#039;m finding that the iMaterialise site seems to do more substantial STL repairs than the Next Day process does.

Next Day used to run via a standalone application (Communicator Next Day) then it switched to a web application via the Materialise Online service. I&#039;m not entirely sure when this change happened. On my 5 year old laptop I have the software app. On my 1 year old desktop I couldn&#039;t find the same app to download and had to run it all via the website using Internet Explorer (Onsite is not very browser friendly).

The standalone NextDay app was very effective as a STL viewer and so on but has to some extent been replaced by Mini Magics. What I&#039;ve found though in the last 12-18 months is that the Onsite service is VERY fussy about the STL files. Many fail due to bad edges or whatever.

Via Online you only then get the option to have Materialise repair the file at extra cost.

Uploading the same &quot;bad&quot; STL files to iMaterialsie though still flags the errors but the iMaterialise repairs the file automatically.

Ironically, this is what the original NextDay software used to do when you uploaded a bad file - you had three levels of repair when you logged into the service and this sorted out 99% of issues.

So this, in itself is progress. Over the last couple of years Materialise have lost a lot of business from me due to the increasingly fussy STL analysis that just stopped the process dead in its tracks.

Compare this to other bureau where I am sending the same files and having no error issues reported (and looking at the STLs in other viewers I am seeing no errors either so I suspect the issues are with the analysis software at the Materialise end either picking up things that others don&#039;t, or  flagging up errors when there are none).

In any case, this alone makes the iMaterialise site worthwhile....and the prices are good as well :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done a bit more investigation into this myself Matt and interestingly I&#8217;m finding that the iMaterialise site seems to do more substantial STL repairs than the Next Day process does.</p>
<p>Next Day used to run via a standalone application (Communicator Next Day) then it switched to a web application via the Materialise Online service. I&#8217;m not entirely sure when this change happened. On my 5 year old laptop I have the software app. On my 1 year old desktop I couldn&#8217;t find the same app to download and had to run it all via the website using Internet Explorer (Onsite is not very browser friendly).</p>
<p>The standalone NextDay app was very effective as a STL viewer and so on but has to some extent been replaced by Mini Magics. What I&#8217;ve found though in the last 12-18 months is that the Onsite service is VERY fussy about the STL files. Many fail due to bad edges or whatever.</p>
<p>Via Online you only then get the option to have Materialise repair the file at extra cost.</p>
<p>Uploading the same &#8220;bad&#8221; STL files to iMaterialsie though still flags the errors but the iMaterialise repairs the file automatically.</p>
<p>Ironically, this is what the original NextDay software used to do when you uploaded a bad file &#8211; you had three levels of repair when you logged into the service and this sorted out 99% of issues.</p>
<p>So this, in itself is progress. Over the last couple of years Materialise have lost a lot of business from me due to the increasingly fussy STL analysis that just stopped the process dead in its tracks.</p>
<p>Compare this to other bureau where I am sending the same files and having no error issues reported (and looking at the STLs in other viewers I am seeing no errors either so I suspect the issues are with the analysis software at the Materialise end either picking up things that others don&#8217;t, or  flagging up errors when there are none).</p>
<p>In any case, this alone makes the iMaterialise site worthwhile&#8230;.and the prices are good as well <img src='http://no-retro.com/home/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kevin,

Thanks for your comment. I&#039;ve updated the post since hearing back from Alex of i.materialise and one of his comments refers directly to the orientation issue. Personally I would prefer to have direct control over the way the part is oriented, even though I have no doubt the i.materialise support engineers are skilled and experienced. Having said that, it&#039;s pretty easy to contact i.materialise directly (and if Alex&#039;s response times are anything to go by the customer support will be fantastic), so I imagine it would be possible to give instructions, or orient the part in the CAD software and ask for it not to be changed.

I agree that i.materialise seems to be a way of presenting a rapid manufacturing service with an easy-to-use web interface. As such I&#039;m not sure exactly how it will appeal to designers, many of whom will have experience of interacting directly with a supplier. But the interface seems pretty good to me, even in its beta state, and I could definitely see it getting business from those who wouldn&#039;t normally have access to - or know how to get access to - a local supplier. The list of possible materials and technologies, and the ability to change material, surface finish etc and immediately see the price update, is something that I think could give confidence to someone who isn&#039;t sure whether to go down the RM route or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. I&#8217;ve updated the post since hearing back from Alex of i.materialise and one of his comments refers directly to the orientation issue. Personally I would prefer to have direct control over the way the part is oriented, even though I have no doubt the i.materialise support engineers are skilled and experienced. Having said that, it&#8217;s pretty easy to contact i.materialise directly (and if Alex&#8217;s response times are anything to go by the customer support will be fantastic), so I imagine it would be possible to give instructions, or orient the part in the CAD software and ask for it not to be changed.</p>
<p>I agree that i.materialise seems to be a way of presenting a rapid manufacturing service with an easy-to-use web interface. As such I&#8217;m not sure exactly how it will appeal to designers, many of whom will have experience of interacting directly with a supplier. But the interface seems pretty good to me, even in its beta state, and I could definitely see it getting business from those who wouldn&#8217;t normally have access to &#8211; or know how to get access to &#8211; a local supplier. The list of possible materials and technologies, and the ability to change material, surface finish etc and immediately see the price update, is something that I think could give confidence to someone who isn&#8217;t sure whether to go down the RM route or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Quigley</title>
		<link>http://no-retro.com/home/2009/11/07/materialise-launch-rapid-manufacturing-service-aimed-at-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Quigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that link Matt. As a Materialise customer since the 90s I&#039;m a bit puzzled what the aim of this is though, apart from perhaps a more consumer friendly web interface? As you so rightly point out, the orientation issue is critical, and all the more puzzling as the excellent NextDay software lets you set the base plane on the part and use that as a front end to access non Next Day services.

Presumably they are attempting to leverage the Magics platform as a web service and plug in for 3D apps that are more consumer or non CAD focussed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link Matt. As a Materialise customer since the 90s I&#8217;m a bit puzzled what the aim of this is though, apart from perhaps a more consumer friendly web interface? As you so rightly point out, the orientation issue is critical, and all the more puzzling as the excellent NextDay software lets you set the base plane on the part and use that as a front end to access non Next Day services.</p>
<p>Presumably they are attempting to leverage the Magics platform as a web service and plug in for 3D apps that are more consumer or non CAD focussed?</p>
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